Comments on: The Truth Project http://www.truthmission.org/2010/02/07/the-truth-project/ Search for truth and discuss difficult issues in a safe place Fri, 18 Jun 2010 21:26:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3428 By: Dave http://www.truthmission.org/2010/02/07/the-truth-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1201 Dave Wed, 24 Feb 2010 02:12:57 +0000 http://www.truthmission.org/?p=644#comment-1201 Divorce is a sin and I believe the only exception is infidelity. If a Christian sins by divorcing they don't loose their salvation. What would Jesus do make sense because he lead a life without sin. It is something we should be striving for. Romans 6: 1What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. I can not speak to what Christian collages do. We live in an imperfect world where Satan and our own evil desires mess things up. Not sure how to respond to the rest of your comments. Christ is king! Divorce is a sin and I believe the only exception is infidelity. If a Christian sins by divorcing they don’t loose their salvation.

What would Jesus do make sense because he lead a life without sin. It is something we should be striving for.

Romans 6:
1What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

I can not speak to what Christian collages do. We live in an imperfect world where Satan and our own evil desires mess things up.

Not sure how to respond to the rest of your comments.

Christ is king!

]]> By: Liam http://www.truthmission.org/2010/02/07/the-truth-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1199 Liam Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:15:34 +0000 http://www.truthmission.org/?p=644#comment-1199 If divorce is wrong how can a person that is reborn become divorced and then speak of being saved without being a backslyder? If we ask "What would Jesus do? is that not a bit presumptive as if we are jesus? This type of statment is used in christian speech all the time. If one is saved your saved. Period. So called "Christian" colleges and university push out grads like ford makes cars. They push dogma not the word of christ. So called christian ethics are used to establish a rule of law. Christ broke the laws! Jesus was not into how Rome was run why should we be? When did christians start mirroring muslims? I belive in the light the truth and the way. Nothing can overcome that. I need to prove it to no one! Christ is King!!!! If divorce is wrong how can a person that is reborn become divorced and then speak of being saved without being a backslyder? If we ask “What would Jesus do? is that not a bit presumptive as if we are jesus? This type of statment is used in christian speech all the time.
If one is saved your saved. Period. So called “Christian” colleges and university push out grads like ford makes cars. They push dogma not the word of christ. So called christian ethics are used to establish a rule of law. Christ broke the laws! Jesus was not into how Rome was run why should we be? When did christians start mirroring muslims? I belive in the light the truth and the way. Nothing can overcome that. I need to prove it to no one! Christ is King!!!!

]]> By: Dave http://www.truthmission.org/2010/02/07/the-truth-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1193 Dave Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:17:10 +0000 http://www.truthmission.org/?p=644#comment-1193 @Liam Jesus told that story to show to others that they too should show mercy. I am not sure what point you are making. Divorce is wrong too. I wasn't trying to point to only the gay lifestyle. There are many sins that we all commit. Christians ask for forgiveness for their sins and do what they can to repent and stop sinning. We will never be perfect but we shouldn't be complacent in our sins either. @Liam

Jesus told that story to show to others that they too should show mercy. I am not sure what point you are making.

Divorce is wrong too. I wasn’t trying to point to only the gay lifestyle. There are many sins that we all commit. Christians ask for forgiveness for their sins and do what they can to repent and stop sinning. We will never be perfect but we shouldn’t be complacent in our sins either.

]]> By: Liam http://www.truthmission.org/2010/02/07/the-truth-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1191 Liam Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:58:17 +0000 http://www.truthmission.org/?p=644#comment-1191 May I be clear Dave. The good Samaritian will work here. Chap hurt, in a ditch. The righteous can't see, hear or smell him. A outcast, Samaritan, hated by the powers that be, stops and helps. What is the christ saying here? What about divorce. Seem to remember one can only be married the one time. Could be wrong. May I be clear Dave. The good Samaritian will work here.
Chap hurt, in a ditch. The righteous can’t see, hear or smell him. A outcast, Samaritan, hated by the powers that be, stops and helps. What is the christ saying here?
What about divorce. Seem to remember one can only be married the one time. Could be wrong.

]]> By: Dave http://www.truthmission.org/2010/02/07/the-truth-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1170 Dave Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:25:09 +0000 http://www.truthmission.org/?p=644#comment-1170 @Liam He showed grace and forgiveness. This is different then tolerance. Tolerance to me means acceptance in the sense that what they are doing is okay. Jesus loves the sinner but hates sin. Sorry if I was not more clear. @Liam

He showed grace and forgiveness. This is different then tolerance.

Tolerance to me means acceptance in the sense that what they are doing is okay.

Jesus loves the sinner but hates sin.

Sorry if I was not more clear.

]]> By: Liam http://www.truthmission.org/2010/02/07/the-truth-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1169 Liam Sat, 20 Feb 2010 06:06:43 +0000 http://www.truthmission.org/?p=644#comment-1169 So your saying the christ had tolerance for whores, murders, thiefs, lepers, non jews but not gays? Who is judging who here? So your saying the christ had tolerance for whores, murders, thiefs, lepers, non jews but not gays? Who is judging who here?

]]> By: Dave http://www.truthmission.org/2010/02/07/the-truth-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1168 Dave Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:49:43 +0000 http://www.truthmission.org/?p=644#comment-1168 @Liam I don't see how my words have been harsh. I am explaining my position and why I disagree. @Liam

I don’t see how my words have been harsh. I am explaining my position and why I disagree.

]]> By: Liam http://www.truthmission.org/2010/02/07/the-truth-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1167 Liam Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:45:26 +0000 http://www.truthmission.org/?p=644#comment-1167 Let he who is with out sin cast the first stone. I see stones flying all around this website. Let he who is with out sin cast the first stone. I see stones flying all around this website.

]]> By: Dave http://www.truthmission.org/2010/02/07/the-truth-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1160 Dave Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:40:19 +0000 http://www.truthmission.org/?p=644#comment-1160 Tolerance to me means that someone would be indifferent and have the attitude "no change is necessary" or sin isn't a big deal so don't change your lifestyle. I don't believe that is the attitude of Jesus. That is not to say that Jesus didn't forgive or extend grace. To me it sound like you are saying Jesus would be tolerant to the gay lifestyle or fornication. That He wouldn't tell the gay man to repent of his sin. I disagree. We could be just having an issue with semantics. I am not sure why you think I am afraid. Jesus said: "I and the Father are one. No one comes to the Father except through me." So he kind of did claim to be God. That is why the religious leaders called what He was saying blasphemy. It was more then just this verse but this is all I had on the top of my head. On the other hand I do think the word tolerance would be appropriate between different denominations. Some things are not easy to interpret and can be taken different ways. I don't believe salvation is based on having the right position on all Biblical issues. Tolerance to me means that someone would be indifferent and have the attitude “no change is necessary” or sin isn’t a big deal so don’t change your lifestyle.

I don’t believe that is the attitude of Jesus. That is not to say that Jesus didn’t forgive or extend grace.

To me it sound like you are saying Jesus would be tolerant to the gay lifestyle or fornication. That He wouldn’t tell the gay man to repent of his sin. I disagree.

We could be just having an issue with semantics.

I am not sure why you think I am afraid. Jesus said: “I and the Father are one. No one comes to the Father except through me.” So he kind of did claim to be God. That is why the religious leaders called what He was saying blasphemy. It was more then just this verse but this is all I had on the top of my head.

On the other hand I do think the word tolerance would be appropriate between different denominations. Some things are not easy to interpret and can be taken different ways. I don’t believe salvation is based on having the right position on all Biblical issues.

]]> By: deborah http://www.truthmission.org/2010/02/07/the-truth-project/comment-page-1/#comment-1157 deborah Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:53:22 +0000 http://www.truthmission.org/?p=644#comment-1157 Dave, You can disagree all you want, but Christ did teach tolerance, which is evident in the scriptures. How can you possibly say that Christ didn't preach tolerance?His teaching of tolerance doesn't make Him a pushover, it isthe Son of God following His Father's directives. It is usually hard core fundamentalists (Christian, Muslim, etc) that cannot deviate and derive ideals based on their exact interpretations, and this originates out of fear of losing Christianity, fear of losing God, fear that our sins our too great, all sorts of fears.... "FEAR NOT FOR I AM WITH YOU"... Christ didn't come to condemn but to save us from our sins and from ourselves and our fears. Throughout history, it has been fear (of many things) that has brought on brutilism and genocide, especially in the name of Christianity. What do we have to fear in being tolerant, as Christ was? We all know that eventually Christ will come again, and why should we fear apocolyptic events and precursors to His coming. Why should we fear other religions, why should we condemn our neighbor because they do not believe as us? That is between themselves and God. If Christ had wanted to force Himself on everyone (as many Christians want to) and proclaim Himself as God, He could have. Why didn't He? Because He wanted us to have freedom of choice, and when we all stand before Him, He will show His mercy and individual rejections. I agree with what you say above, but it was also that they (sadduccees and pharisees) adhered to the law with a narrow vision, with blinders on---- so that their tradition interpretation would not be violated---THAT IS FUNDAMENTALISM and IT IS BORN OUT OF FEARS. And is submit that today most Christian's have lost the point----- rather than listen to an interpretation they should pray to the Lord to send the Holy Spirit to help them interpret the word, and set about studying in depth exactly what Christ meant, said and keep it all in context. I'm sorry that because Christ said "Repent...." which means reconcile yourself, etc. that means He did not preach tolerance and that you don't seem to understand that that is between God and oneself, and should in no way be a stepping stone for other's to be intolerant out of fear or hatred of what one considers to be their enemy and let them cast the first stone. Dave,
You can disagree all you want, but Christ did teach tolerance, which is evident in the scriptures. How can you possibly say that Christ didn’t preach tolerance?His teaching of tolerance doesn’t make Him a pushover, it isthe Son of God following His Father’s directives.

It is usually hard core fundamentalists (Christian, Muslim, etc) that cannot deviate and derive ideals based on their exact interpretations, and this originates out of fear of losing Christianity, fear of losing God, fear that our sins our too great, all sorts of fears…. “FEAR NOT FOR I AM WITH YOU”… Christ didn’t come to condemn but to save us from our sins and from ourselves and our fears.

Throughout history, it has been fear (of many things) that has brought on brutilism and genocide, especially in the name of Christianity.

What do we have to fear in being tolerant, as Christ was? We all know that eventually Christ will come again, and why should we fear apocolyptic events and precursors to His coming. Why should we fear other religions, why should we condemn our neighbor because they do not believe as us? That is between themselves and God.

If Christ had wanted to force Himself on everyone (as many Christians want to) and proclaim Himself as God, He could have. Why didn’t He? Because He wanted us to have freedom of choice, and when we all stand before Him, He will show His mercy and individual rejections.

I agree with what you say above, but it was also that they (sadduccees and pharisees) adhered to the law with a narrow vision, with blinders on—- so that their tradition interpretation would not be violated—THAT IS FUNDAMENTALISM and IT IS BORN OUT OF FEARS.

And is submit that today most Christian’s have lost the point—– rather than listen to an interpretation they should pray to the Lord to send the Holy Spirit to help them interpret the word, and set about studying in depth exactly what Christ meant, said and keep it all in context.

I’m sorry that because Christ said “Repent….” which means reconcile yourself, etc. that means He did not preach tolerance and that you don’t seem to understand that that is between God and oneself, and should in no way be a stepping stone for other’s to be intolerant out of fear or hatred of what one considers to be their enemy and let them cast the first stone.

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